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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 26, 2010 9:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Disco Duck, I mean Disco Dead

Thanks. Great response. I always felt like they made their sound glossier in 77 and on. The Go To Heaven cover, the sound, and the coke all somehow link together for me.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 27, 2010 6:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Disco Duck, I mean Disco Dead

I think Rosey added nicely to what I was getting at above. For me, it was all about perception at the time, not the reality of what the tunes became live, or later, etc.

Of course they were doing what was "cool" when they added acoustic in 70--it was a return to their roots, and the Byrds, and Dylan, and blah, blah, blah. But it was not necessarily "pop".

However, in 78, what they did was more disturbing to us at the time.

Note that when Kingfish went reggae (by&by) in 76 we thought it was picking the "right" pop trend.

So, yes, the DEAD always did these sorts of things, but we purists of the day always reserved the right to let em have it for going with inappropriate "pop" themes.

Does that make sense?

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Nov 27, 2010 11:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Disco Duck, I mean Disco Dead

Yup. They did whatever they wanted to, and if we didn't like it, we complained. :)

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Poster: chinarider79 Date: Nov 27, 2010 4:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Disco Duck, I mean Disco Dead

Exhibit X:

4/24/78 - MAMU

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 27, 2010 6:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Disco Duck, I mean Disco Dead

Also, my guess is that the same people who liked the Dead in '70 liked acoustic, folk, etc. So they were on a wavelength with their fans. But the same people who liked the Dead in '78 did not like disco ... most people didn't, actually, as I recall (though obviously it sold, so somebody was buying.) Disco also seemed to represent and even celebrate everything that people who liked the Dead tended to see ourselves as opposing: materialism, being plastic, commercialism, slickness, etc. So it didn't seem to be following a trend; it seemed more like a surrender or even betrayal.

Though if I had to pick between disco, which was widely reviled, and Foreigner/Styx etc, which were popular, I'd go for disco. At least it's cheesey instead of pretentious and boring. Which might be why, IMO, that the tunes we heard as "disco Dead" (Shakedown, Stranger, disco Dancin') hold up better in the long run than the straight-ahead late 70s, early 80s rocky stuff (Alabama Getaway, Hell in a Bucket).

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 27, 2010 8:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Disco Duck, I mean Disco Dead

Ha--yes, "70's Butt Rock" we calls it...(those bands).

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 28, 2010 2:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Disco Duck, I mean Disco Dead

Well, now, that's a term I hadn't heard. And yet I somehow instantly understand it.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 28, 2010 5:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Disco Duck, I mean Disco Dead

I think I've mentioned it before, but it came from friends of my sons in their HS days, five or ten yrs ago...I'd never heard it before either, and I thought "how astute of these young punks to have made that assessment, independent of the biases--out right hatred--of their old man" or some such.

Of course, they didn't think much of the DEAD at the time either.

What I've discovered is that in fact there aren't a lot of youngsters getting the kind of training (?) that folks like us here at the Forum provide our children...mine of course know as much about 60s music as they can stand; two love it, but I will say the youngest has resisted it a bit. I'll never forget the two older ones agreeing that some Eleven or some StSt I insisted on playing for them was indeed outstanding, but the younger one wouldn't have any of it...indeed, as he's the only guitar player, he pulled out his electric and riff'd a few chords to the effect of "see how easy? you dumbshits?" (although we didn't let on what he played and the real thing were two entirely different things). Makes you proud either way during an incident of that sort, you know?

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